“hold off, Is This a romantic date?” Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

Recently on “Wait, So is this a night out together?” we are joined by Autostraddle Chief Executive Officer and

L Keyword

expert
Riese Bernard
to discuss: The Chart. That is correct! This occurrence is all about lesbian interconnectivity — hooking up with buddies’ exes, pals setting up with the help of our exes, while the culture produced by all of that crisis.

Appear for gossip, remain the emotional handling. And before that enjoy a-game that assessments Christina’s borders: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally wouldn’t.)

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SHOW RECORDS

+ Five years ago Riese build an
Old Hollywood data
that is the intersection of all of the my passions.

+ Here Is
the article
I reference where We mention connecting with my roommates.

+ My crush of this week Mj Rodriguez released a songs movie on her behalf tune
“one thing to Say”
!

+ As somebody who has merely viewed some symptoms of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush of this few days C.C. Babcock was actually shocking in my opinion whenever it turned out she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina tells me they fundamentally nonetheless are.)

Drew:

I would end up being very good with it present. I might never add some other person without their own authorization. But the idea of each and every time some body was actually like, “concur that you might be connected with myself,” I’d resemble, “Yeah, this is the existence I’ve lived. I don’t worry about.” Usually strange? Is the fact that problems?

Christina:

No, since if I found myselfn’t, I would feel terrible not-being. I would personally wind up as, “Wait, I am not sleeping?”

Theme song performs

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.

Drew:

And thanks for visiting

Wait, Is This A Romantic Date?

Christina:


Wait, So Is This A Date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast inquiring the major questions. First of all, will it be a night out together? Exactly what are times? Who’re dates? Can we like dates? They are the style of concerns we address on this subject here very pro and lovely podcast.

Drew:

My name is Drew Gregory. I am a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I’m called Christina Tucker. I’m additionally a writer at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer online. I’m recovering at describing me as an author and, notoriously, a lesbian. Which is us. That is just who we’re.

Drew:

Yeah. Therefore the major topic recently is The Chart.

Christina:

I recently believed it required a sting. I am not sure. That thought really remarkable, but In my opinion it needed it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, please, kindly. Thanks, thank you so much. No, no, no. The best level of drama.

Christina:

Many thanks.

Drew:

Yeah. Therefore we’re discussing lesbian interconnectivity.

Christina:

I love that term given that it appears like you need to restart the lesbians. It may sound just like the net connection isn’t really functioning.

Drew:

Yes. it is extremely advanced, very futuristic, but also has been in existence since there’s been lesbians, I think.

Christina:

Yeah. I do believe scholars would say once they discovered the first lesbian fossils, they discovered an information alongside ones carved in to the mud. And that I believe that’s just what that motion picture concerns, right? It is more about the data? That flick with Kate Winslet and the mud fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that is what it’s about.

Drew:

If only

Ammonite

was about cave ladies. I would watch that lesbian motion picture.

Christina:

Well, as I have not viewed it, I’m going to bravely declare that it had been. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like we now have numerous lesbian period pieces, but we have now never ever eliminated straight back that much. And I also believe it’s the perfect time we would.

Christina:

Let’s merely keep having it further back in time.

Drew:

Before we obtain to our primary topic, you’re nonetheless getting to know us. And that I believed that it might be fun to play a game where you guys could actually become familiar with Christina. So the icebreaker with this week is actually slightly online game that I call “Would U-Haul.”

Christina:

I will be, again, thus stressed about that. This could you need to be just how i-come inside game. This could be my video game mentality, a little high-key, slightly stressed. That’s okay. All of us are discovering.

Drew:

I think which is great. I think that can allow you to more vulnerable, perhaps.

Christina:

Certainly my personal favorite thoughts.

Drew:

Simply a terror, just a severe horror. Therefore the way that “Would U-Haul” works is actually i’ll explain a scenario. Let’s call it Christina lover fiction. And I’m planning pause after each small area getting love, “Okay, Christina, I know which you have never ever stayed with somebody, don’t want to live with a partner. But under these situations, would U-Haul?”

Christina:

And that I will both say yes or I’ll state, “i am all set.”

Drew:

Unless you — really, we’ll see right here. But I’m thrilled. I think I perhaps cracked the code.

Christina:

You have damaged the signal? I’m thrilled.

Drew:

Let us find out how long this requires. Assuming there is a constant would, i do believe you victory? I don’t know how you will find champions right here.

Christina:

I am not sure there are winners inside the game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I am not sure should you decide’ll accept that after this. And so I’m getting going.

Christina:

Fair sufficient.

Drew:

Okay. Therefore, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at your friend’s wedding ceremony. Inspite of the multitude of romcoms you’ve absorbed, you did not go to this marriage considering you’ll fulfill anyone because, well, this isn’t a romcom. Here is the genuine and regular lifetime of Christina Grace Tucker. You’re taking your own assigned chair and generally are glancing at the telephone as soon as you understand a female at the table is wanting at you. She introduces herself since your friend’s former baby sitter. She actually is stayed a friend for the family members, but she does not truly know any individual there. She appears like mid-forties and it has a striking angular face. You set about talking. She proposes to get you a drink. And when she gets up, you understand she is six legs high, 6′ 3″ in pumps. You understand what? I’m only likely to hold on there and be like, now, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I’m intrigued. I am fascinated because i may get set only at that wedding ceremony. But yet I am not U-Hauling anyplace.

Drew:

Cool. That’s totally reasonable. Completely reasonable. Okay. And that means you spend entire wedding learning one another. There’s merely an instantaneous spark and instant chemistry. And certainly, you will do get together and also the intercourse is remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

And this wedding ceremony was a student in Northern Ca. And so you both extend your own stays for a few times to fuck and explore and eat at restaurants and shag. And you supply to divide the expense of the today shared space, but she laughs you down and is love, “clearly perhaps not, honey.” Therefore, the next three days are secret. You really feel your wall space tumbling straight down. You are slipping quicker than you ever before have. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

So simply for clarity’s benefit, I’m having trouble picturing a world in which we took three shock days off of strive to spend time with someone i actually do not understand. That appears bonkers. However if used to do, beneficial to myself. But I’m simply not U-Hauling at this time. It will likely be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. That’s good. You just found. I have it. I have it. Okay.

Christina:

Many thanks much.

Drew:

So she comes back to nyc and also you return to Philadelphia.

Christina:

That’s where I stay.

Drew:

And you’re texting constantly. That is where your home is and it is in which this lady resides. And you are texting on a regular basis and you see both multiple times monthly. She actually is very hectic together with her task, but she actually is fast purchase you a train pass so you’re able to appear see the girl and remain at her stunning brownstone in Fort Greene. And then 6 months pass. And one night if you are out over meal, she requires you to definitely relocate together. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And move to Ny? Really don’t really love nyc. No, I’m not transferring from the six months mark. I’m not undertaking that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Completely, totally, completely. Wow. Okay. And that means you hold dating long-distance. She understands that needed some time she actually is ready to wait for you. Even more several months pass. It really is today been over annually. Your property owner lets you know that they’re selling your place to a developer who is installing condos, so that you can not restore it. You will need to find a unique location. Your own today girlfriend tells you that no force, but her present still stands. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. At this point, i might U-Haul for a few explanations.

Drew:

Yay! Ok. Kindly reveal.

Christina:

Largely, in a global whereby my property owner marketed the house to develop it, my personal property manager happens to be my personal closest friend, to make sure that seems like anything went wrong within friendship. And I might want to only leave Philadelphia anyway. And when I have to maneuver in using my sweetheart over here, that seems okay. That is okay. Completely great. But yeah, i do believe I might need an external power like a mean property owner.

Drew:

Which is so — okay. Used to do think that you’d want to require property in order to get here, and so I’m grateful We realized that.

Christina:

Yeah. Which is precisely what must affect me personally initially.

Drew:

Well, i am grateful to know what it takes. Thus in theory, if perhaps you weren’t kicked out, just how much more time?

Christina:

In all honesty, that could have gone on for a long time. Philly and nyc aren’t also that not even close to each other. I obtained room over right here. We are bouncing backwards and forwards. We are having fun. I could have let that roll for a long period until i suppose Shoshana can become the worst person I’m sure.

Drew:

I did not realize that Shoshana possessed your property. Well, there you go.

Christina:

There we go. Wow, which was exciting.

Drew:

Well, many thanks for playing.

Christina:

I am pressured, to get obvious.

Drew:

And I also’m grateful that i understand… possibly if you’re actually ever, anytime anyone’s ever matchmaking you and desires that move around in, perhaps the gf told Shoshana to offer our home in the interest of your own relationship.

Christina:

Truthfully the quickest means — somebody would have to speak to Shoshana and start to become want, “simply kick this lady .” And then she’d end up like, “Yeah, positive. Of course.” That could be how it occurred, in the event she don’t offer your house. Somebody would you should be like, “Could you merely kick their out therefore she’s going to just overcome it and move around in beside me?” And she’d say yes. One hundred percent she would do this. That is what friendship is.

Drew:

I adore that.

Christina:

Yeah, that is actually beautiful.

Drew:

Really, personally i think like we learned alot about you.

Christina:

Many Thanks. I believe like We discovered loads about myself, also. Danger of homelessness is actually the point that helps to keep me personally relocating any situation, I guess. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that is great.

Christina:

That has been really fascinating. I’m similarly thrilled to move into our very own primary part because i believe speaking about lesbian connection with this visitor, because of this unique visitor, i do believe it’s going to be incredible, Drew. How could you be feeling?

Drew:

I’m thus excited. This will be a professional. And by that, What i’m saying is an

L Term

expert, but a small amount of a specialized from inside the subject accessible.

Christina:

I think a few things may be genuine, my good friend. I believe a couple of things is true certainly. Do we wish present the guest or will we want our visitor to introduce by themselves?

Drew:

I’d love all of our guest to introduce by herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I’ll claim that the visitor may be the one and only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, communicate.

Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. As well as being unusual is the guest!

Christina:

Yeah, it is.

Riese:

I’d to not state any such thing. I did not actually do it. I did so say circumstances. I’d to sit down right here silently.

Christina:

And also you were truly daring. Along with your faces were valued.

Riese:

Thank you much.

Christina:

Though this might be obviously a sound average, i’d like our audience to find out that Riese ended up being generating some good response faces during “Would U-Haul.”

Riese:

There’s different ways are heard. You know what I mean? That’s what i usually state. I am the Chief Executive Officer of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m in addition on an undefeated kickball group. And that’s me. You will find a puppy called Carol. And I also have outdated individuals.

Christina:

Congrats on kickball!

Riese:

Thank-you. I am associated with folks.

Christina:

Great. Enjoying that. Which is great to bring for this, this right here internet dating podcast. That’s good.

Riese:

Yeah. I do believe that… will there be anything?

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Drew:

No, I think which is fantastic, Riese.

Christina:

What you may need to share.

Riese:

I really like raspberries, the fresh fruit raspberries, and private pools.

Christina:

Compared to…

Riese:

You Are Aware an individual goes like…

Drew:

Its like as soon as you strike. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those are terrible, thus I just exhausted all of them from my head.

Riese:

Yeah. And that is all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Well, we straight away looked at you with this topic.

Christina:

That is correct.

Drew:

Because firstly, demonstrably, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian neighborhood are like, I am not sure, having sexual intercourse with folks exactly who their friends had sex with since well before

The L Word

ended up being actually ever a sequence. But i actually do feel just like

The L Keyword

solidified a certain cultural idea of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like you’ll have lots of understanding of this topic.

Riese:

It is correct. A couple of people, I would like to say, of

The L Term

had this real data of them and their friends they certainly were attracting about wall surface or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, ended up being one of those. She spoke to all of us regarding it, they had developed this. Because obviously, everybody else where writer’s room had fucked others within the publisher — you are sure that, in addition to prolonged internet of these generation of lesbians in l . a .. And in addition they saw that and these were like, “Why don’t we put it within the tv series.” And some of them take the chart. Like, some of the people who … like, real folks are from the information as bull crap.

Christina:

That’s amazing. That is the manner in which you learn you’ve made it.

Riese:

Is not that sexy?

Christina:

That would be fascinating for me.

Riese:

And therefore if you haven’t seen

The L Keyword,

first of all, congrats. Second of all, it gets the centerpiece of a single of one’s head figure, Alice’s, apartment. She has every thing over her wall surface. Looked after may be the title of an online site they started called ourchart.com that flopped. Together with concept … And it’s inside the pilot, In my opinion. Into the very first event, Alice starts talking about just how every person’s connected, because everyone’s connected using this person. And that I can link you, as if you’re most likely a maximum of two levels far from myself. Which ended up being correct. Like, even with Dana, who had limited experience because she was actually a closeted playing tennis player, they still could actually link this lady. And that’s real world because it’s correct.

Christina:

Which is culture. Yeah. That is what tradition appears like.

Riese:

That is society. That’s queer culture right there. And today everyone makes their charts.

Christina:

Yeah. So as that was going to be my personal next question, had been have either people made a chart? Because Really don’t think You will find, and I am sort of now thinking like, that which was this just last year seated within my residence for easily failed to create a chart? Like, that which was the purpose of that, truly?

Riese:

I believe i have done it inside my journal, just like like … Because i prefer, I am not sure, arranging details, I guess, as a thought exercise.

Christina:

Yeah, I think that’s additionally why i’m surprised that I haven’t done it. I really like the concept of categorizing situations.

Riese:

Right. Yeah. Because it’s fascinating. I am not sure exactly why it is therefore fascinating, but it is. It really is interesting is love, wow, each one of these men and women, they can be connected. Its untamed.

Drew:

Throughout the tv show, as soon as ourchart.com is developed, they will have a real information that individuals can add stuff. And I also feel like something that you joked in regards to on

To L and Right Back,

and from now on people say on a regular basis is a lot like, if this existed in an actual way, no one would place their own brands on it, no body would feel safe putting their particular brands about it.

Riese:

You would.

Drew:

I would. I would end up being extremely great along with it existing. I would personally never ever add some other person without their permission. Nevertheless the idea of like, each and every time someone had been like, “concur that you’re linked to me personally,” I would be like, “Yeah, it’s the existence I lived. Really don’t worry about.” Is the fact that weird? Is the fact that problematic?

Christina:

No, as if I becamen’t, i might feel terrible not-being … i’d be like, “hold off, I am not upon it? Like, i am sorry, just what?” No, that would actually send me personally into lighting moral panic about whom Im as a person, the thing I’m undertaking. Was we interesting? Would men and women {like